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Hi all!
I have been waiting with my vehicle upgrade for the Carnival. I love the machine and wanted to get it but below are the letdowns :(
What do you think?

1. Why am I forced to go with black wheels if I want one of the SX trims? It should’ve been an option (like Chrysler’s S Appearance)

2. Top trim only comes with 7 pax seating

3. Digital cluster, heated steering wheel, auto dimming rearview mirror (believe it?) are only available on top trim which automatically excludes me and all others who need an 8 passenger vehicle. (I’ll forgive the LED headlights and sunroof)

4. Even top trim doesn’t offer auto dimming side mirrors

Overall, Kia is pretty inconsistent with the features they offer for each trim level. While they include some extra gadgets in the lower EX trim (intercom, passenger view camera, etc.) they don’t offer everyday useful driving features on the SX trim

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Is rain sensing wipers an available option?
 

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I fully agree with you. And quite honestly, I've been waiting and extending my current lease for a good few months excitedly awaiting the sedona, but now I'm reconsidering and thinking about the payroll as pacifica again.
Reason I need a minivan is for the 8 seater, so that's my starting point. So now on the sx, missing so many of these features, getting a downgraded instrument cluster, while the pacifica always had kick to open doors, and also has some of the autonomous driving features, plus self parking. And just add the gas savings from the hybrid into the mix and its really difficult to see a reason to go with the kia.
To me, the way the features are done, seem like they just made a bunch of dice's with features, and threw them on a board with the car models, and that's how they assigned who gets what. I guess the rain sensing wiper feature must've off the board, and the sx getting digital instrument cluster landed only in the Canadian region...
 

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Agreed! Not offering all the tech and full-LED features for 8-seater buyers is very frustrating! Not sure what the logic is there.

Other small things like not offering the full color palette for all trims is also silly as I was very keen on the Deep Chroma Blue, but it isn't offered on the upper trims. Also, non-North-American models have paddle shifters. I was SO excited to have those, but they took that away and put a traditional gear shifter instead.
 

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Just play around with the online 'Build' configurator. Even for the SX Prestige trim, the Off-Black and Tuscan Umber Two-Tone leather trim is not available with certain exterior colors. WTF??????
 

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Honestly, I wonder if this is actually just a mess of which trim gets which features, or they just have a mess of programmers and designers, but in actuality the features will be better streamlined.
However, either choice undermines my reliability on the vehicle...
 

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One more thing.

Memory seats are included in SX and Prestige but no where on the site, builder, specs sheet are memory steering wheel or mirrors mentioned for any trim.

Does anyone have clarification on this?
 

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One more thing.

Memory seats are included in SX and Prestige but no where on the site, builder, specs sheet are memory steering wheel or mirrors mentioned for any trim.

Does anyone have clarification on this?
The steering wheel is manually adjustable. Mirrors are electronic folding but unsure if they have any memory capabilities.
 

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One more thing.

Memory seats are included in SX and Prestige but no where on the site, builder, specs sheet are memory steering wheel or mirrors mentioned for any trim.

Does anyone have clarification on this?
If you look at the 2022 Carnival Specifications document, on row 113 it has "Integrated Memory System (IMS) for driver's seat and outside mirror position", which is available only on the SX and SX-P trims.

So no memory function for the steering wheel.. because I imagine it's only offered as manually adjustable, not electronic.

Here's the link to the spec sheet I referenced:
 

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If you look at the 2022 Carnival Specifications document, on row 113 it has "Integrated Memory System (IMS) for driver's seat and outside mirror position", which is available only on the SX and SX-P trims.

So no memory function for the steering wheel.. because I imagine it's only offered as manually adjustable, not electronic.

Here's the link to the spec sheet I referenced:
That's what I needed to know. I'm good with steering wheel not having memory although would be nice, but no memory mirrors is a deal breaker. Almost more important than the seats.

I know there was a trim level previously and I don't remember which car (either pacifica or sedona or telluride) that included memory seats on one of the mid level trims but not mirrors and some people felt duped as the higher trims included both.
 

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In Canada, the Pacifica Touring-L has memory seats and 4 way lumbar, something the Carnival doesn't have.
 

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Are the rear turn signals and brake lights really mounted in the bumper? That seems like a safety issue to me... Does anyone else see this as an issue??
 

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I prefer them higher so they can be seen and minimized damage from light parking lot bumps. Guess style won this one.
 

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Are the rear turn signals and brake lights really mounted in the bumper? That seems like a safety issue to me... Does anyone else see this as an issue??
Not the break lights. Only the reverse light and turn signals. The Honda Pilot also has the turn signal on bumper. I happen to like it
 

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Not the break lights. Only the reverse light and turn signals. The Honda Pilot also has the turn signal on bumper. I happen to like it
Do the break lights go all the way across or is the strip through the middle just a reflector? Saw someone else asking that question elsewhere.
 

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Do the break lights go all the way across or is the strip through the middle just a reflector? Saw someone else asking that question elsewhere.
For the SX-P's all LED tail lights the entire width of the strip is illuminated. Not sure about all other trims.

 

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I just found this video that shows what the rear lights look like on the LX trim, so this should be the same for the SX since they're both non-LED rear lights. Just another one of those features that should have been made available on the SX...... but wasn't.

 
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