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Except the SXP with (optional for 2023) VIP seats - 3rd row legroom for adults in the Carnival should not be a problem. I have kids on the 3rd row, and when the 2nd row moved all the way back - 3rd row has a plenty of room, and you can have more by moving the 2nd row forward - it has plenty of room too. VIP seats are changing the picture - while you actually use them to recline - 3rd row becoming pretty unusable. One more thing to pay attention - if you have rear facing child seat on the 2nd row - rear entertainment screens becoming an issue (optional for SX/SXP in 2023). I personally went with no-VIP, no-screens.
You can remove the entertainment system. The system is kinda crappy anyways but I love the extra space it offers when you remove them.
 

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Im trading in a 2018 Odyssey EX for a 2023 Carnival LXS. Four years and 71k miles and the transmission went out. Thankfully I bought the extended warranty, but it was still expensive as we were on a roadtrip 6 hours from home. I used to have a lot of respect for Honda, but not anymore. It also helps to know that if the same thing happened on the Kia, it would have been covered without any additional warranty purchase. Good luck
 

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Hello All,

I apologize in advance if this discussion or topic has been beat to death. I used the search function and didn't find an answer/discussion that satisfied me. I am a long time Honda owner ( my family and I have owned multiple Accords, Civics, and Pilots) and many of my friends and family friends have owned Odysseys over the years. I am in the market for a van right now, I just recently got married and now have a baby on the way in September. I was originally thinking about the Ford Expedition Max after I rented one for a 2K mile road trip last year and was blown away by how comfortable the ride was. We did an 18hr road trip and I didnt feel tired at all the whole day after driving or riding in it. But given the current gas prices I ruled it out and also I am inherently aware of the practicality of a van over an SUV. There is virtually no argument there. I looked at the competition and quickly ruled out the Sienna ( 4-cyl hybrid and non-removeable 2nd row did that for me) and I also ruled out the Pacifica ( very spacious but, flimsy 2nd row Stow and Go seats and hearing and witnessing first hand horrible Chrysler reliability from friends who owned them eliminated that for me).

That left the Odyssey and the Carnival on my list. I was skeptical of the Kia at first but I test drove a Carnival EX 8 passenger model and was very impressed. I wanted to ask specifically for those people that compared the Odyssey and bought the Kia over the Odyssey, what exactly tipped the scales towards driving you to buy the Kia? My hesitation right now (even though they are minor) are that there seems to be a lack of small cubbies and storage areas in the front of the Carnival compared to the odyssey and the 3rd row in the odyssey has slightly more legroom ( 2.5 inches more "on paper"). Those who have the Kia, how is the Carnival's 3rd row legroom for adults? I am also skeptical of Kia's reliability compared to the Odyssey's (specifically worried about mechanical reliability, not too concerned about the electronic gizmos and convenience features). I am new to the Hyundai/Kia product family. I bought a 2019 Genesis G70 3.3T early last year so I can't say yet how it holds up 9-10 years down the road. The main things that are turning me away from the Odyssey are the dated infotainment system (compared to kia's) and the fact that the floor isn't completely flat in the second row with seats removed since the Odyssey has the slider trays that carry and move the Magic 2nd row side to side. I know the Kia has a much larger trunk when the 3rd row is up which is a huge plus in my book.

I am currently looking at the 2021+ Odyssey Touring and Elite and the 2023 Kia Carnival SX and SX-Prestige. The VIP lounge chairs are nice but not enough to outweigh the ability to take out the 2nd row with the 8 seat version. I also wish the upgraded Bose audio system was available on the SX and just prestige trim.

I'm mainly looking for something with the maximum passenger and cargo space between these two cars. It will be the baby-mobile, local grocery getter, and road trip vehicle for our family fleet. I'm 75% sold on the Kia but concerns above are what's holding me back.

Thank you all in advance and would love your input on what made your decision to get the Carnival over the Odyssey.
I looked at the Honda Odyssey also but didn't like how the slide mechanism stayed in the tracks when the seats were out. What killed it for me though was when I saw a video from a reputable mechanic complaining of the horrible CTV transmissions and how failure prone they are. I have NEVER been a fan of CVT tranny's. Most companies who use them have had trouble with them. Honda's are better than most, but thankfully Kia is sticking with a standard 8-speed transmission. That and the floor is perfectly flat when seats are removed is the big seller for the Carnival for me.
 

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I looked at the Honda Odyssey also but didn't like how the slide mechanism stayed in the tracks when the seats were out. What killed it for me though was when I saw a video from a reputable mechanic complaining of the horrible CTV transmissions and how failure prone they are. I have NEVER been a fan of CVT tranny's. Most companies who use them have had trouble with them. Honda's are better than most, but thankfully Kia is sticking with a standard 8-speed transmission. That and the floor is perfectly flat when seats are removed is the big seller for the Carnival for me.
The Odyssey uses a 10 speed automatic transmission, not a CVT:
 

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Well that just proves what the mechanic in the video I saw said was true. CVT's are crap. Now even Honda admits it.
No, not all CVTs are bad, but the Odyssey has NEVER had a CVT. They had a 9-speed before their current 10-speed but never a CVT. That 9-speed (which was not developed in-house, unlike their 10-speed) was TERRIBLE and had all kinds of problems. Honda does not have a CVT on anything larger than the Accord. In fact, I can't think of a single car maker that uses a CVT on anything larger than compact/mid-size.
 

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You wont regret the Carnival. Don't listen to the "doubting Thomas's" out there. We have had two Sedonas, Two Sorentos, a Forte Koup ( sweet car), Optima, Two Rios. It all depends on your dealership and service. Ours is an excellent family owned community supporter. Nothing shady or sleazy. PS.I tested the Odyessy and Toyota. The handing of the Carnival is most impressive
 
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