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For the Carnival.... is anyone paying over or under msrp? Dealer I went to played dealer game with my trade and wanted $2000 over msrp! TIA
 

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I've been quoted MSRP at one dealer and MSRP plus mandatory ceramic coating package ($1700) at another. I have not seen below MSRP with dealer incentives especially for the 2 higher trims.
 

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I've been quoted MSRP at one dealer and MSRP plus mandatory ceramic coating package ($1700) at another. I have not seen below MSRP with dealer incentives especially for the 2 higher trims.
I've been quoted MSRP at one dealer and MSRP plus mandatory ceramic coating package ($1700) at another. I have not seen below MSRP with dealer incentives especially for the 2 higher trims.
Thanks, $1700 is ridcul
I've been quoted MSRP at one dealer and MSRP plus mandatory ceramic coating package ($1700) at another. I have not seen below MSRP with dealer incentives especially for the 2 higher trims.
Mandatory $1700... Ridiculous!!!!!
 

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And who's applying the coating...... the lot guy with an old towel? For $1,700 it better be an experienced local detail shop.
And with a can of WD40! lol KIA as a company sux even though their cars are good.
 

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I tried 16 dealerships in the Chicago area for an SX or prestige and they all wanted 1-8k over msrp
Most Dealers in Texas are holding one car in inventory and they are literally pimping with out of their ass premiums. Good car but low or no inventory is used to their advantage. It has been a disgusting experience so far with wasted time and negotiations leading to useless add ins and VIP packages. But I am in no rush... will wait out for couple months. Always got Sienna waiting out there 👋 me😏
 

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Most Dealers in Texas are holding one car in inventory and they are literally pimping with out of their ass premiums. Good car but low or no inventory is used to their advantage. It has been a disgusting experience so far with wasted time and negotiations leading to useless add ins and VIP packages. But I am in no rush... will wait out for couple months. Always got Sienna waiting out there 👋 me😏
Never fall in love with a car. There are always plenty of options. I view car dealers as swine!
 

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Most Dealers in Texas are holding one car in inventory and they are literally pimping with out of their ass premiums. Good car but low or no inventory is used to their advantage. It has been a disgusting experience so far with wasted time and negotiations leading to useless add ins and VIP packages. But I am in no rush... will wait out for couple months. Always got Sienna waiting out there 👋 me😏
All this does is hurt the Kia brand and turn folks off. These dealers are forgetting that the Carnival is still new and untested and have to earn its trust, this is not Telluride.
 

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Kia dealerships need to clean up their acts. Many people walking thru their doors have experience buying Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc...... their level of of treating consumers is at the highest end of the spectrum.
 

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My experience so far is that the KIA dealers where I am are all arrogant A-Holes right now with the Carnival. As if they are doing me a favor. With the Sienna out there, they shouldn't be too cocky. The Siennas are selling like hotcakes. While the Carnivals are available where I am. They are also $1500-2K above MSRP... are you kidding me?
 

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My experience so far is that the KIA dealers where I am are all arrogant A-Holes right now with the Carnival. As if they are doing me a favor. With the Sienna out there, they shouldn't be too cocky. The Siennas are selling like hotcakes. While the Carnivals are available where I am. They are also $1500-2K above MSRP... are you kidding me?
Agree. I went to dealer and told the sales guy… here is the cash 48k for the sticker price….take my money. He was like fuck off… you see that Telluride….. we are still selling for 7k above sticker. So buzz off with offer.

what I don’t understand is why would I pay more for something that is going to depreciate day 1. KIA dealers left a bad taste and Hopefully there are better than the ones in Southwest area.
 

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Yup, and with select Honda dealers offering $4,000 off with the Costco program, I have no reason to change teams.
 

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Some people have posted in the Facebook group going through Costco and getting $1k under MSRP without any finance rebates. I still believe, even at MSRP, it’s a good deal relative to the competition and what features and options you get. The comparable Toyota we were looking at was $54K, which is a good $4k over what we paid out the door.

That said, I whole heartedly agree that the majority of salespeople at Kia dealerships are at a whole new level of scum. If they are going to sell $50k vehicles then they really need to up their interpersonal skills. Based on the stories I’ve read and heard, we got very very lucky. I think it must have been a slow day or something. I imagine it’s a matter of time before either the competition catches up or output is significant enough to drive pricing down.
 

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Some people have posted in the Facebook group going through Costco and getting $1k under MSRP without any finance rebates. I still believe, even at MSRP, it’s a good deal relative to the competition and what features and options you get. The comparable Toyota we were looking at was $54K, which is a good $4k over what we paid out the door.

That said, I whole heartedly agree that the majority of salespeople at Kia dealerships are at a whole new level of scum. If they are going to sell $50k vehicles then they really need to up their interpersonal skills. Based on the stories I’ve read and heard, we got very very lucky. I think it must have been a slow day or something. I imagine it’s a matter of time before either the competition catches up or output is significant enough to drive pricing down.
I am still in market to buy but I will wait out after summer vacations next month. My preference is Carnival as it has features I like. But dealership experience makes me think of maintenance and warranty issues the dealer will screw me over. I see in this forum the indifference with recall issues.
I don’t mind paying 5k over to Sienna as the resale/ trade price will be highs than Carnival so it will defy even out. The reason I have not pulled the trigger on Sienna is Carnival has few features I like.

hopefully after couple of months the supply opens up and Costco buyer program helps out when I re-renter the market.
 

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I had a great experience at Bergey Kia in Lansdale, PA. Part of a group of family-owned dealerships. They are selling them at MSRP. They have been selling Tellurides at MSRP since the beginning (apparently 15-20 person wait-list). They have a social medial presence so they are getting customers from around the US. They will pick buyers up from the airport if need be. PM me if anyone wants more info. We picked up our SXP this past weekend. They have an Astra Blue/Tuscan Umber SXP that just came in.
 

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For the Carnival.... is anyone paying over or under msrp? Dealer I went to played dealer game with my trade and wanted $2000 over msrp! TIA
I’ve been building this car on the Kia website since I found out about it back in January, I believe. MSRP listed the SX model I was looking for at $41,595, but with destination charges, which you’ll always be charged because manufacturers aren’t allowed to sell to consumers directly, it came out to $42,770 *estimated price. The dealer I went to in Hamburg, PA claimed they sell at MSRP prices, and so technically it must be true because I bought mine for $43,030 +tax. I brought in a ‘19 odyssey for trade-in and they still gave me more than $1700 over my lease debt. They would’ve given me $1k-$3k more had my car been in mint shape. Mind you, my carnival was the only one on the lot and only the 2nd one they’ve sold, at the end of April. They had the power to be a$$holes but thankfully weren’t.
 

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Vito,
Nicely done. You had researched your list price dollars before stepping into the dealership.

Something few people know since they do not buy parts to fix their cars. Parts are marked up over the factory list price to makeup the thin margins the factory charges them. I find 30% is normal. The list prices are easy to find on the web. There are internet dealers discounting off of factory list if you are installing the part yourself.....A dealer will not sell you a part installed at a discounted internet price.

The true list price is shown.... sometimes they might be a price change behind but your in the ball park.
When your car is in the service dept getting work done..... they might say, it could be the water pump. Look up the list price of a water pump. When you pay your bill or if you have the real list price when going over numbers with your advisor before the repair, challenge the marked-up price. I have not had anyone not back off the inflated price.

People do not know how to check the true list price and just pay the bill.
 
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